tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post1002643648043104897..comments2023-09-28T08:13:11.489-07:00Comments on Only In It For The Gold: Email from BoliviaMichael Tobishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-11695278706384832982009-12-13T06:24:56.699-08:002009-12-13T06:24:56.699-08:00Vinny has a decent point but the metric for emissi...Vinny has a decent point but the metric for emission...um...reparations should be CO2 ppmv. So if we go back to preindustrial 285 ppmv, the burden is one thing. If we go back to 350, that is another. <br /><br />Of course you have data unreliability in 1785 and we'll have to study it more and some countries will want to hide the decline and who handles the FOI requests and all that.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />D<br /><br />Word verif agrees: sphythap, which is the sound made when you use your finger to rub your lips together while humming.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08191155460701692880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-64404419675458842122009-12-13T05:01:58.208-08:002009-12-13T05:01:58.208-08:00Given the loss of glacier mass in the Cordillera R...Given the loss of glacier mass in the Cordillera Real of Bolivia, this has real economic consequences today for Bolivia. <br /><a href="http://glacierchange.wordpress.com/2009/12/13/zongo-glacier-retreat/" rel="nofollow"> Zongo Glacier </a>Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06580691104782729492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-17652694177480294482009-12-12T05:42:33.061-08:002009-12-12T05:42:33.061-08:00According to the World Resources Institute's C...According to the World Resources Institute's Climate Analysis Indicator Tool, Bolivia's per capita GHG emissions were only slightly smaller than the US's in 2005, the most recent year for which it has national estimates for emissions due to land-use change.<br /><br />Ranking, Country, CO2e per person:<br />US, 11, 23.5 tonnes<br />Bolivia, 12, 22.0 tonnes<br /><br />The estimates include a range of GHGs plus land-use change and bunker-fuel emissions.<br /><br />It's not a flash in the pan, either. In 2000, the US was ranked 10th and Bolivia 11th; in 1995, 11th and 12th again.<br /><br />Other developing countries would be similarly embarrassed by any attempt to obtain reparations based on recent emissions. (Kyoto wouldn't work as a basis for this. Firstly, all countries need a baseline, not just rich ones. Second, Kyoto's targets weren't equitable; they were the product of horse-trading and gesture politics and were in no sense scientific or objective.)Vinny Burgoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13830703358571312302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-28974367915100295552009-12-12T05:27:33.234-08:002009-12-12T05:27:33.234-08:00I like the frame of how you assign culpability, bu...I like the frame of how you assign culpability, but I wonder whether the Kyoto protocol is a good baseline. It is already a very watered down version of what was known to be necessary back then. <br /><br />Why not take one of the early IPCC scenarios that was deemed a scientifically defensible way to reduce emissions enough to avoid dangerous climate change? That will certainly also have all kinds of issues, of course.<br /><br />Holland, and probably more countries in the EU, will probably meet its Kyoto targets because of the financial crisis. Not that they've done much really, and as soon as the crisis fades away, emissions will soar again. Even though I'm Dutch,it doesn't feel quite fair that Holland wouldn't have any extra responsibility for its historic emissions. Long after it became scientifically accepted that there would be a climate problem, we continued BAU (and still do, mostly).<br /><br />BartAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-26514161450254009092009-12-12T04:13:20.051-08:002009-12-12T04:13:20.051-08:00This sort of climate debt concept got into the neg...This sort of climate debt concept got into the negotiating process pre-Kyoto, known as the <i>Brazilian Proposal</i>: target reductions should be in proportion to historical responsibility.<br /><br><br /><br />There were a bunch of studies, auspiced by SBSTA, mainly published with Michel den Elzen as lead author.<br />How far you look back brings in lots of issues: quality of old data, and does responsibility for a colony rest with a former colony or the colonial power, etc etc.<br /><br><br /><br /> For the issue of knowing it was happening, 1996 IPCC report "discernable human influence" seems a sounder date than 1988 (Hansen testimony?)<br /> <br /><br><br />Ian EntingIanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01466343070140208641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-68864044327298610892009-12-11T15:38:44.929-08:002009-12-11T15:38:44.929-08:00The responsibility of less developed countries nee...The responsibility of less developed countries needs to be negotiated going forward. <br /><br />Essentially there was a 1992 political consensus, which, had it been followed, would have left us in much less of a quandary today.<br /><br />Everyone, with as far as I know the a few exceptions among the European countries, willfully ignored these limits and is negligent to exactly the extent that those limits were violated.<br /><br />Going forward is another matter.But one crazy idea per posting, I always say.Michael Tobishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-53283097473504305622009-12-11T15:19:46.056-08:002009-12-11T15:19:46.056-08:00I'm generally supportive of your idea, but not...I'm generally supportive of your idea, but not sure about your particular solution. First, Kyoto didn't limit developing countries, so what's their responsibility? Second, it somewhat supports the idea of each nation ratcheting back from historic levels, which I disagree with (I think per-capita emission limits, with international trading, are better). <br /><br />Third, Kyoto happened long after we knew emitting CO2 was a problem. I'd set the date of national responsibility much earlier. Either 1992 and Rio Convention, or 1988 when warming was first argued to be happening already, or sometime in the 1960s or 1970s when scientists put the world on notice that it may happen in the future, so emissions occurring afterwards were done with advertence to the potential danger.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09301230860904555513noreply@blogger.com