tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post3059601099374327617..comments2023-09-28T08:13:11.489-07:00Comments on Only In It For The Gold: Romm vs Freakshow IIMichael Tobishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-702221124995618672009-10-17T15:36:07.369-07:002009-10-17T15:36:07.369-07:00Actually, I happen to agree with Michael's mod...Actually, I happen to agree with Michael's modification of my point in every detail, about both Wunsch and Schneider. Which means double stars for Caldeira.Marion Delgadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09493068399042656060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-19365089641299625432009-10-17T10:15:37.574-07:002009-10-17T10:15:37.574-07:00As an update, my comment along with several other ...As an update, my comment along with several other very critical comments has been posted. Several have called for L & D to respond but that hasn't happened.King of the Roadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841601144107400103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-15699536699047425102009-10-16T23:50:14.112-07:002009-10-16T23:50:14.112-07:00Interesting point, Marion.
Caldeira is handling i...Interesting point, Marion.<br /><br />Caldeira is handling it much better than Wunsch did, or in fact than Schneider recently did with the Not Just Evil nonsense.<br /><br />You can't stop people from misrepresenting you, but you can call them on it after the fact, which makes you and the cause of truth look much better than a) whining and trying to have a reasonable exchange with unreasonable people per Wunsch, or b) demanding you not be mentioned at all per Schneider.<br /><br />The malign impact of the SuperFreakonomics botch is much attenuated thanks to Caldeira's quick and appropriate responses. We owe him a huge double debt of gratitude in not only substantially defusing the SuperFreaknomics book but showing us how to handle such situations in future.Michael Tobishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-87769375725137333232009-10-16T23:14:39.161-07:002009-10-16T23:14:39.161-07:00Good for Ken Caldeira - he's the Carl Wunsch t...Good for Ken Caldeira - he's the Carl Wunsch this time around.Marion Delgadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09493068399042656060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-41721318868131819902009-10-16T22:47:41.816-07:002009-10-16T22:47:41.816-07:00Anna,
I commented here and the comment is still a...Anna,<br /><br />I commented <a href="http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/16/superfreakonomics-in-the-news/#comment-505097" rel="nofollow">here</a> and the comment is still awaiting moderation. It's true that there are comments at that post that are critical of Levitt and Dubner's warming chapter.King of the Roadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841601144107400103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-71557588167344041312009-10-16T19:30:33.672-07:002009-10-16T19:30:33.672-07:00(correction, not *the* most recent Freakonomics po...(correction, not *the* most recent Freakonomics post; but it is recent, having been posted today.)Anna Hayneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15176850465809297298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-35470546472968733412009-10-16T19:23:39.682-07:002009-10-16T19:23:39.682-07:00On reading more closely, I'm glad to see that ...On reading more closely, I'm glad to see that some comments pointing to critical reviews *are* surviving moderation on at least the <a href="http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/16/superfreakonomics-in-the-news/" rel="nofollow">most recent Freakonomics blog post</a>.Anna Hayneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15176850465809297298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-59276422676975735592009-10-16T18:44:42.046-07:002009-10-16T18:44:42.046-07:00King of the Road ("I left the following comme...King of the Road ("I left the following comment on their blog site"), could you provide the URL please? That way we can check & see if it went up.<br /><br />If my most recent "awaiting moderation" comment is approved, <a href="http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/16/superfreakonomics-in-the-news/#comment-505161" rel="nofollow">it'll be here</a>; it's just a nice quiet link to the <a href="http://manpollo.org/forums/showthread.php?p=5513" rel="nofollow">reviews compendium</a> on Manpollo.<br /><br />Dubner&Levitt don't seem to take criticism well - to my knowledge, none of my other (multiple) attempts to provide links to science-oriented reviews have survived moderation over on their blog.<br /><br />I'm reluctant to broach this possibility - particularly since I don't know them personally, and for some personality types, sweeping criticism under the rug *would* be expected behavior - but at what point does it become more parsimonious to believe that they're not doing this of their own free will?<br /><br />If history is "all the data that we have so far"...it shouldn't be unthinkable, it has happened before.Anna Hayneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15176850465809297298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-87678645253104608872009-10-16T15:00:36.739-07:002009-10-16T15:00:36.739-07:00I left the following comment on their blog site:
...I left the following comment on their blog site:<br /><br />It's sad and actually pathetic that Levitt and Dubner selectively quoted and misrepresented the opinions and beliefs of Ken Caldeira. Clearly, their incentive is to sell books and ads on their blog site. Bully for them. It's even reasonable for them to opine on subject areas in which they have minimal knowledge. But misrepresentation is a different matter.<br /><br />I have the same reaction now to them that I have to newspapers, i.e., whenever they happen to cover a topic on which I have specialist knowledge newspapers invariably (without exception that I can think of) make huge factual errors. Therefore, I assume that they make huge factual errors on everything they report. Levitt and Dubner are now in the same category.<br /><br />Obviously, facts are merely obstacles to be overcome in order to carry the torch for their self-styled "rogue economist" personas. A shame, since I enjoyed and believed their first book, now I will reconsider.<br /><br />It hasn't (yet) passed moderation.King of the Roadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841601144107400103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-3400472542427893612009-10-16T11:12:43.115-07:002009-10-16T11:12:43.115-07:00Given the number of copies this book is likely to ...Given the number of copies this book is likely to sell, I think we'll be debunking it for a very long time. <br /><br />I would love to ask the publisher why they let this go out the door with their name on the spine. They'd probably fall back on the same old, "there's no consensus" nonsense, likely with a little First Amendment appeal thrown in, but it would be interesting to see and hear the response in person.Lou Grinzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17928280655354890269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-22763789659039866732009-10-16T09:58:11.088-07:002009-10-16T09:58:11.088-07:00Thanks for this essay. Joe Romm writes so much tha...Thanks for this essay. Joe Romm writes so much that it is hard to keep up with the man.Padraig Tomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06483647257675174364noreply@blogger.com