tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post4176192364973694470..comments2023-09-28T08:13:11.489-07:00Comments on Only In It For The Gold: CluelessnessMichael Tobishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-60335211134767101542011-08-08T15:14:13.729-07:002011-08-08T15:14:13.729-07:00Pangolin:
> Look at MT's link to the Pakis...Pangolin:<br /><br />> Look at MT's link to the Pakistan flooding aftermath to see what desperate survival looks like. Not pretty.<br /><br />But, but, but, carbon taxes will bankrupt villagers already struggling with the economic disadvantage of being drown.manuel moe ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04878149837118503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-63663905319399973102011-08-08T11:20:28.259-07:002011-08-08T11:20:28.259-07:00It doesn't take that much effort to seed peopl...<i>It doesn't take that much effort to seed people telling each other lies they want to hear, especially with a sufficiently cooperative press. Fossil fuel interests started this thing but I don't know that they could stop it if they wanted to.</i>_MT<br /><br />So the Climate Change debate turns into a variation of the War on (some) Drugs debate. An argument where the conservative side refuses to acknowledge any fact that contradicts their social position. <br /><br />Anybody who thinks we have fifty years to hammer at the same factual points while conservatives block all progress is nuts. At some point the cons get steamrolled or climate damage makes any politics but desperate survival moot. <br /><br />Look at MT's link to the <a href="http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/08/pakistan_flood_damage_one_year_later.html" rel="nofollow">Pakistan flooding aftermath</a> to see what desperate survival looks like. Not pretty.Pangolinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18369503994505817789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-15758771590763671512011-08-08T10:59:44.714-07:002011-08-08T10:59:44.714-07:00It doesn't take that much effort to seed peopl...It doesn't take that much effort to seed people telling each other lies they want to hear, especially with a sufficiently cooperative press. Fossil fuel interests started this thing but I don't know that they could stop it if they wanted to.Michael Tobishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-42583092395139728462011-08-08T10:53:58.465-07:002011-08-08T10:53:58.465-07:00> I no longer think it is just money from fossi...> I no longer think it is just money from fossil fuel companies. I think that people with a particular set of social beliefs ...<br /><br />Yes. Which is why providing social cocoons for susceptible journalists is probably in their PRfolks' toolbox.Anna Hayneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15176850465809297298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-33823601800909717232011-08-08T10:18:57.833-07:002011-08-08T10:18:57.833-07:00There is whole class of such NotTheIPCC critters. ...There is whole class of such NotTheIPCC critters. See for example: http://fgservices1947.wordpress.com/category/climate/<br /><br />At one time, I had a boss who was just such a "geologic critter". They do exist. Nice guy, but we were studying a contaminated aquifer, and he kept telling us that humans could not affect the environment.<br /><br />I no longer think it is just money from fossil fuel companies. I think that people with a particular set of social beliefs tend to go into (some fields) because people with those social beliefs are already in (that field), and they all get along because they all have the same social beliefs.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150805906414546377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-49619061082756132762011-08-08T02:29:46.947-07:002011-08-08T02:29:46.947-07:00If drought, then flood, then cyclone, becomes the...If drought, then flood, then cyclone, becomes the new norm for Australia sea level rise will be a bit late to the "let's render Oz an uninhabitable wasteland" party. <br /><br />Of course since current climate change precludes basing weather predictions on past climate we'll just have to wait and see what comes in the future. <br /><br />So, go ahead Aussies, build on the beach. It makes for great television footage when the houses float away.Pangolinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18369503994505817789noreply@blogger.com