tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post546597488068674513..comments2023-09-28T08:13:11.489-07:00Comments on Only In It For The Gold: We Need a New form of OutreachMichael Tobishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-77396922038321411572009-01-28T05:39:00.000-08:002009-01-28T05:39:00.000-08:00"To try and convince a person to pay heed to, and ..."To try and convince a person to pay heed to, and to pay financially to, a cause that will most help people that the proposed payee will never meet... is very close to impossible. I do not know of any cause, other than a religious one, that has had any success in this manner."<BR/><BR/>Here's my 2 cents. Religions work partly because offer the promise of reward after life or something similar. And while climate action can result in rewards for people in their current lives, it seems that we've reached a point where we've changed pretty much all the lightbulbs that can be changed, and any further benefits from climate action can only be realized through coordinated large-scale movements.<BR/><BR/>(E.g. I've been thinking about blowing up this <A HREF="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/2008/12/19/web-20-is-fat/" REL="nofollow">Web 2.0</A> thang and replacing it with something faster, leaner, and less gas-guzzling. No way I can make that happen by myself, alas.)bi -- International Journal of Inactivismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03030282249404084578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-81007655293528973832009-01-27T11:12:00.000-08:002009-01-27T11:12:00.000-08:00IMHO one of the reasons for the strong reaction of...IMHO one of the reasons for the strong reaction of the right to <I>AIT</I> is that it used one of their tactics: storytelling and simple anecdote to illustrate. <BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/><BR/>DDanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03709762632849004871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-19359656017960318022009-01-27T06:49:00.000-08:002009-01-27T06:49:00.000-08:00Anon, you have a good point. Cultures change, thou...Anon, you have a good point. <BR/><BR/>Cultures change, though, and our culture will eventually realize that we are discounting the future by too much. The sooner, the better, and this is what we must try to achieve.Michael Tobishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-13776167716886087012009-01-27T02:04:00.000-08:002009-01-27T02:04:00.000-08:00"An Inconvenient Climate"?"An Inconvenient Climate"?skankyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14584908320777937193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-70960627354695552512009-01-27T00:39:00.000-08:002009-01-27T00:39:00.000-08:00While I appreciate how often the tone at OIIFTG is...While I appreciate how often the tone at OIIFTG is one of seriousness, a bigger question to ask yourself is simply this: what can I do with my blog?<BR/><BR/>That most Americans really don't care about what humans are doing to the climate (and also the biosphere) is hardly surprising - I'd wager most people on the planet think likewise.<BR/><BR/>You must come to terms with the challenge presented by the human phenomenon of discounting the future. To try and convince a person to pay heed to, and to pay financially to, a cause that will most help people that the proposed payee will never meet... is very close to impossible. I do not know of any cause, other than a religious one, that has had any success in this manner.<BR/><BR/>You could try to craft an AGW-action religion, but then you'd just be proving the doubters (with their already existing claim that AGW is a "fraud" and an eco-religion) true.<BR/><BR/>It is this dilemma that I have yet to find anyone, and I mean <I>anyone</I>, to have a good answer to address this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-70165255991348708642009-01-26T19:41:00.000-08:002009-01-26T19:41:00.000-08:00An Inconvenient Crooth?An Inconvenient Crooth?Michael Tobishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-10582120791448017762009-01-26T19:27:00.000-08:002009-01-26T19:27:00.000-08:00All I can report is what i've experienced, aptly e...All I can report is what i've experienced, aptly enough - we need to use anecdotes, and yes, that's one reason an inconvenient truth did okay. Earth in the balance had more and better anecdotes.<BR/><BR/>We need to surpass AIC by quite a lot. Having the statistics means you potentially have more anecdotes.Marion Delgadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09493068399042656060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-56682866359213063362009-01-26T16:21:00.000-08:002009-01-26T16:21:00.000-08:00Silly polls don't help. It is absolutely *dumb* t...Silly polls don't help. It is absolutely *dumb* to think that one gets any sensible answers by ranking "the economy" and "global warming".<BR/><BR/>For one, people think "I may lose my job, can't pay the mortgage, and we'll have to move", i.e., the general term translates into concrete, short-term outcomes they understand.<BR/><BR/>For global warming, they think "It will get a little warmer sometime."<BR/><BR/>I think I can predict which will come out ahead.<BR/><BR/>See <A HREF="http://www.abqjournal.com/abqnews/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10335:us-support-for-action-on-greenhouse-gases-weak&catid=18:nm-science&Itemid=31" REL="nofollow">my comment on John Fleck's article</A>, for the right sorts of questions.John Masheyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17786354229618237133noreply@blogger.com