tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post4777148883254409165..comments2023-09-28T08:13:11.489-07:00Comments on Only In It For The Gold: Not getting itMichael Tobishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-82421607830364616602008-12-05T10:45:00.000-08:002008-12-05T10:45:00.000-08:00Corrected link for the above-mentioned Ayres and W...Corrected link for the above-mentioned <A HREF="http://www.iea.org/textbase/work/2004/eewp/ayres-paper1.pdf" REL="nofollow">Ayres and Warr paper</A>Michael Tobishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-77605976069977012262008-12-05T05:28:00.000-08:002008-12-05T05:28:00.000-08:00I suppose the basic issue is economic growth, and ...I suppose the basic issue is economic growth, and whether a given growth-promoting policy is only producing fictitious or deleterious growth. Some notes towards an improved conception of growth in value, economic or otherwise: <BR/><BR/><A HREF="www.iea.org/textbase/work/2004/eewp/ayres-paper1.pdf" REL="nofollow">"Accounting for Growth" by Ayres and Warr</A> has some popularity among people who think the role of physical inputs is the key neglected factor in the theory of growth. As an Oil Drum poster put it, "when they used an economic model that considers both growth in energy use and growth in energy efficiency, it explains the vast majority of US economic growth between 1900 and 2000, except for a residual of about 12% after 1975." <BR/><BR/>There may be room for a single further lengthy phase of growth through the institution of a sustainable economy. The recycling sector could become much much larger, and we already know about the need to change the energy base. There also may be plenty of room for "growth", in the sense of increased value or increased quality of life, on the less material side of things - in anything virtual, and in anything involving information-dense molecules (biotech, nanotech). For that matter, in theory even multitudes of much bulkier items could have their value improved in a recycling economy, simply by being recycled and replaced with a superior generation of products which are designed and used in a better way. <BR/><BR/>Recent experience suggests that one might at least be cautious in trying to use these other forms of value as a way to maintain economic growth as currently perceived, via financialization or commodification. Some of their value may in fact lie in their non-financialized, non-commodified nature. <BR/><BR/>Population growth is an obvious consideration. We are already in a situation where the IMF considers anything less than 3% global economic growth a global recession, because that much is needed just to keep us standing still, per capita. <BR/><BR/>And as a transhumanist, I have to point out that eventually, there's the universe. The only extraterrestrial resource we can use right now is sunlight, but eventually we will end up in the science-fictional world of having the power, if we wish, to drill the asteroids or terraform Mars - for example. It's not very relevant to the problems of sustainability on Earth, it's more like what comes afterwards, but it's a genuine part of the bigger picture.Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10768655514143252049noreply@blogger.com