tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post6648255343807798691..comments2023-09-28T08:13:11.489-07:00Comments on Only In It For The Gold: The Trouble with ScienceMichael Tobishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-49070520071866583572007-12-19T11:14:00.000-08:002007-12-19T11:14:00.000-08:00IG, I think your point is well-taken. In particula...IG, I think your point is well-taken. In particular, though EOE is polished and good, it is very much in its early phase and it's unclear whether it will work.<BR/><BR/>My main point in response to yours and others is that the problem is part of a broader pattern of undervalued communication in science.<BR/><BR/>My disagreement with you, if any, is in how much you can realistically expect of volunteer efforts. People really do respond to reward structures, and the more stressed they are, the less they will do in unrewarded directions.Michael Tobishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-61230613165734516512007-12-19T10:14:00.000-08:002007-12-19T10:14:00.000-08:00Hey Michael,I think RC (and to an extence SBs) pla...Hey Michael,<BR/><BR/>I think RC (and to an extence SBs) plays a very different role in science communication - that is, improving communication among scientists.<BR/><BR/>However, I don't think many have been successful distilling science to the public <I>very well</I>. I could also be full of shit.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the EoE link - I hadn't heard of it before.<BR/>Cheers,<BR/><BR/>What about other scientific fields?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-49628833002169586472007-12-19T09:36:00.000-08:002007-12-19T09:36:00.000-08:00Hey, IG.WHile I agree that your proposal is a good...Hey, IG.<BR/><BR/>WHile I agree that your proposal is a good thing, I think what you're proposing already exists to a great extent. Consider RealClimate, e.g., and <A HREF="http://www.eoearth.org/" REL="nofollow">Encyclopedia of Earth</A>. <BR/><BR/>One problem as I see it is that this sort of behavior is only volunteer behavior. In my field and some others we are up against paid professional disinformation specialists. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps it is the fields that find themselves most under attack that will take the time to defend themselves. Even here, though, it's only a small part of the communication spectrum we're addressing.<BR/><BR/>In short, though, we are becoming a write-only subculture. We have so much pressure to produce that we have little motivation to consume. Accordingly the whole enterprise gets weaker the harder we work on our own ambitions.Michael Tobishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-20471779049277010812007-12-19T09:08:00.000-08:002007-12-19T09:08:00.000-08:00Thank you for the shout-out Michael.Concerning:It ...Thank you for the shout-out Michael.<BR/>Concerning:<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>It seems to me that we need to restructure the design of the whole system. We can't add new demands without loosening existing ones. There needs to be ways to fit in a range of talents. The emphasis on gathering information needs to be reduced in favor of vetting it and communicating it. We need more time to think and less time proposing to think. We need to think critically about others' work and generously about them as people rather than the other way round.</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>In my experience, the brightest scientists are usually very keen on learning bot their own trade and how to communicate it. Why there couldn't be "<I>...grass roots organization of a coalition of scientists dedicated to accurate, fair, and unbiased scientific reporting.</I>" is beyond me. It just requires enough people to care, a few to organize them, and a few media outlets to trust them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-19890165804500628312007-12-19T07:49:00.000-08:002007-12-19T07:49:00.000-08:00It sure doesn't feel like too much money in the tr...It sure doesn't feel like too much money in the trenches. <BR/><BR/>However, the question of whether what we have is a good investment of public funds is indeed arguable. My lack of surprise at the flat funding is to some extent a consequence of the lack of bang per buck in the past. <BR/><BR/>(Of course there are other ways we spend our collective resources these days which are arguably even less productive. No doubt that had a bigger impact in the immediate case.)<BR/><BR/>The way to get more bang per buck, though, is to put more bucks in and direct them to the parts that have been neglected.Michael Tobishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-29999883223166231892007-12-19T07:34:00.000-08:002007-12-19T07:34:00.000-08:00Michael -It seems as though there's a contradictio...Michael -<BR/><BR/>It seems as though there's a contradiction between your first point, about the budget, and the rest of the post.<BR/><BR/>In inflation-adjusted terms, non-defense science spending in the U.S. has flattened over the last several years after soaring (a roughly 50 percent increase since the late 1990s). What you're describing in the bulk of the post describes what sounds like a scientific system that does not deserve the money it is getting. Do we have too much money chasing too little good science?John Fleckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01945772782727225745noreply@blogger.com