tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post8288388308402205091..comments2023-09-28T08:13:11.489-07:00Comments on Only In It For The Gold: Oh GreatMichael Tobishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-8632806100415484972009-03-05T15:02:00.000-08:002009-03-05T15:02:00.000-08:00Something appears to have happened to your index p...Something appears to have happened to your index page and the last two posts. <BR/><BR/>FWIW, Pielke and Zimmerman appear to have <A HREF="http://thingsbreak.wordpress.com/2009/03/03/honest-broker-at-prometheus-attacks-hansen-over-claim-he-never-makes/#comment-439" REL="nofollow">pulled Zimmerman's attack on Hansen</A>EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-37300531487994285492009-03-04T18:15:00.000-08:002009-03-04T18:15:00.000-08:00Anonymous:Really, I mean it. No more RPJr stuff. I...Anonymous:<BR/><BR/>Really, I mean it. No more RPJr stuff. It's not worth the grief.Michael Tobishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-43920727262832939352009-03-04T18:12:00.000-08:002009-03-04T18:12:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-56068778861131849952009-03-04T16:57:00.000-08:002009-03-04T16:57:00.000-08:00er, it's not only about Michael Tobis either. Par...er, it's not only about Michael Tobis either. Pard'n the typo (sigh)<BR/><BR/>It's about the political spin machine. Do look up Hulme. Woo!Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-16758803213179920512009-03-04T15:54:00.000-08:002009-03-04T15:54:00.000-08:00True that.Recommendation to journalists -- it's no...True that.<BR/><BR/>Recommendation to journalists -- it's not about Michael Tobin, or anyone else in particular, if you step back and look for patterns -- read history you can see how it's been done in the past.<BR/><BR/>Here's one place to start:<BR/><BR/>Meetings that changed the world Madrid 1995: Diagnosing climate change<BR/><BR/>J Houghton - Nature, 2008 - nature.com<BR/>... for some months afterwards the Global Climate Coalition waged a relentless campaign in the United States against Ben Santer, the lead author ...<BR/><BR/>Here's another:<BR/><BR/>http://www.metcalfinstitute.org/news/091807_news.htm <BR/><BR/>Dr. Benjamin D. Santer will be the keynote speaker at this year's Grantham Prize Seminar on Environmental Journalism, "Reporting on Climate Change: Science, Policy and the News," Monday, September 24, 2007, at the University of Rhode Island Graduate School of Oceanography's Metcalf Institute for Marine and Environmental Reporting.<BR/><BR/>The event will honor the 2007 winners of the Grantham Prize for Excellence in Reporting on the Environment, the largest journalism cash prize in the world....<BR/><BR/><BR/>------<BR/><BR/>Think about the patterns, not the individual of the moment, and it makes more sense what's going on .Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-3477100292580933552009-03-04T15:39:00.000-08:002009-03-04T15:39:00.000-08:00re: David B. Benson said @ Mar 3, 4:35 pm."RobertM...re: David B. Benson said @ Mar 3, 4:35 pm.<BR/>"RobertM --- This is not the thread for the details, but I assure you there is a superabundance of observations to show the current warming is much more extreme than during the MWP."<BR/><BR/>If you are willing, please send me an email to rmonical@monical.us with the details. <BR/>ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-84151131901881569822009-03-04T15:34:00.000-08:002009-03-04T15:34:00.000-08:00Hank, the last thing on earth I want at this point...Hank, the last thing on earth I want at this point for this blog is to become Pielke central. I've learned my lesson. Please take the discussion elsewhere.Michael Tobishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-19111988822088468362009-03-04T15:14:00.000-08:002009-03-04T15:14:00.000-08:00Arthur can shred my paltry comments any time.Best,...Arthur can shred my paltry comments any time.<BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/><BR/>DDanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03709762632849004871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-49092217722087914922009-03-04T15:11:00.000-08:002009-03-04T15:11:00.000-08:00Hmph.Adaptation to Climate Change: Thresholds, Val...Hmph.<BR/><BR/>Adaptation to Climate Change: Thresholds, Values and Governance<BR/>S Dessai, M Hulme, R Lempert, R Pielke Jr. - 2009 - Cambridge University Press <BR/>Anyone looked at it? That's "Post-normal"<BR/> Hulme, famous for this woo-woo argument:<BR/>http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2007/mar/14/scienceofclimatechange.climatechangeHank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-30449039789986533662009-03-04T14:47:00.000-08:002009-03-04T14:47:00.000-08:00Michael - this is turning into an amazing example ...Michael - this is turning into an amazing example of how, through fake outrage, the true feelings of real scientists are being suppressed these days. Write all your feelings down, think about what's happened, be public as much as you feel able about it. You have worthy companions who have trodden this ground before here - Jim Hansen and Al Gore at the least. If you feel your job is threatened in any way by the kerfuffle, make that open too - there are millions who care, if they knew, and the more the other side publicizes it, the more will know how you're being treated unfairly. You have far more people on your side than you may know.<BR/><BR/>The one very solid outcome here is that Roger Pielke Jr. has clearly overplayed his hand. Just as Viscount Monckton did over the summer with his attack on the American Physical Society that made him that much more solidly a laughingstock. Pielke's clear unfairness and rhetorical sleights in response to your honest questions in this case will only lead to Pielke's loss of favor with the elites he so tries to cultivate. Pielke has become the ultimate concern troll, soon to be ignored completely, because his callousness in this instance is on display for all to see.Arthurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06249922708053689717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-47072750733080416932009-03-04T14:20:00.000-08:002009-03-04T14:20:00.000-08:00Is there a badge of honor to be the object of the ...Is there a badge of honor to be the object of the denialosphere's dopey, ululating derision? <BR/><BR/>Some sort of thing you can wear, like a lapel pin in the shape of a 'dead end' sign, or a hat pin in the shape of a clown's red honkey nose/squirt flower? <BR/><BR/>If not, maybe someone like <A HREF="http://thepoorman.net/" REL="nofollow">The Editors</A> can Photoshop something to make Kip Winger proud...<BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/><BR/>DDanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03709762632849004871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-40478604969584374082009-03-04T13:29:00.000-08:002009-03-04T13:29:00.000-08:00No, but you have to get your posse to be riding ou...No, but you have to get your posse to be riding out there to defend you. It also has to be made clear who the instigator wasEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-35232110149731887892009-03-04T13:16:00.000-08:002009-03-04T13:16:00.000-08:00Have you looked up Ben Santer lately, Michael? He...Have you looked up Ben Santer lately, Michael? He got pushed through the same kind of grinder, early on, you'll recall.<BR/><BR/>http://www.ucar.edu/communications/quarterly/summer96/insert.htmlHank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-48255343504385179862009-03-04T12:27:00.000-08:002009-03-04T12:27:00.000-08:00I wonder if I am altogether undone. Nope. "The st...<I>I wonder if I am altogether undone. </I><BR/><BR/>Nope. <BR/><BR/>"The stones that critics hurl with harsh intent <BR/> a man may use to build a monument." -- Arthur Guiterman<BR/><BR/>You struck a nerve. Enjoy the thrashing and raiment-rending ululation. And the discussion by the non-denialist crowd.<BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/><BR/>DDanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03709762632849004871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-60563602738906492022009-03-04T11:19:00.000-08:002009-03-04T11:19:00.000-08:00jeez. Thanks for the bad news; I'd rather hear it ...jeez. Thanks for the bad news; I'd rather hear it from a friend. I wonder if I am altogether undone. <BR/><BR/>Time for the Joe the Plumber track?Michael Tobishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-9212982278441006592009-03-04T10:58:00.000-08:002009-03-04T10:58:00.000-08:00Wow. Glenn Beck? http://tinyurl.com/bulhluThat's f...Wow. Glenn Beck? http://tinyurl.com/bulhlu<BR/><BR/>That's f#cking awful, Michael. Ugh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-64680295845043137672009-03-04T10:31:00.000-08:002009-03-04T10:31:00.000-08:00Michael,It's about time that more people were disc...Michael,<BR/>It's about time that more people were discussing climate disruption specifically as a moral problem - I'm just sorry you got sideswiped over the specific wording you employed (not to mention defending Al Gore in the process). But the fact remains that, however much we would like to stick to nice sanitized "science speak" and "policy speak", the climate issue will impact real people, and if things in fact go badly (which is very plausible, the real question in my view being "just how badly") the very likely result will be lots and lots of people dying. Ergo, thoughtful consideration of the moral implications of not only climate disruption in general, but also of the discussion and policy proposals surrounding this issue is essential - the way we talk about the issue needs to keep the moral dimension in mind. <BR/><BR/>BTW, this whole affair has been very instructive to bystanders. I believe that it began when you expressed some cautious sympathy for/interest in Pielke's position and motivations in the climate disruption debate, no? Well, wish granted!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-4134891910379156722009-03-04T08:44:00.000-08:002009-03-04T08:44:00.000-08:00Often, we think we know something, but until it ha...Often, we think we know something, but until it happens to us, we really don't know.<BR/><BR/>Know you know, Michael, how the noise machine works. And how the willing consumers of the product operate. <BR/><BR/>Keep doing what you're doing (word verification says 'aught'). Fuggem, they are waning (the fast spread of faux outrage isn't a good metric for influence).<BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/><BR/>DDanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03709762632849004871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-1236543124758138022009-03-04T07:39:00.000-08:002009-03-04T07:39:00.000-08:00Not worth much, I know, but I recently stripped so...Not worth much, I know, but I recently stripped some 'warmers' from my blog roll, not for their views which I hoped my reader would take on board as a counter to mine, but because they had banned me for leaving perfectly polite comments on their sites. However, in a post I pointed out that I had left <I>you</I> on my blog roll because your occasionally curmudgeonly persona was tempered by graciousness to opponents. This recent 'kerfuffle', which has taken place after my endorsement, is a perfect example of it.<BR/><BR/>Well done, Michael, you're a gentleman.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-50091399215517025582009-03-04T01:58:00.000-08:002009-03-04T01:58:00.000-08:00MT "Blog storms" can be very frustrating... just w...MT "Blog storms" can be very frustrating... just wait it will be over, and the sane people will still be here.<BR/><BR/>Just try to make the most of it and enjoy the parts you can.<BR/><BR/>Made a comment about Roger earlier on an other blog... and just on the top of my head... the history don't make Roger look good...<BR/><BR/>http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2008/09/sea_level_rise_from_ipcc_90.php<BR/><BR/>http://rabett.blogspot.com/2009/01/baseline-game-ethon-came-flying-in-from.html<BR/><BR/>http://julesandjames.blogspot.com/2008/05/consistently-wrong-chronicles.html<BR/><BR/>http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/08/do_not_cite_or_quote.php<BR/><BR/>http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2009/02/pielke_jr_how_low_can_he_go.phpMagnushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01617272924116099306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-22240747093374349502009-03-03T23:36:00.000-08:002009-03-03T23:36:00.000-08:00my opinion of Prometheus: you can guess.the point ...my opinion of Prometheus: you can guess.<BR/><BR/>the point in worrying about anything whatsoever to do WITH Prometheus: unclear to me.Marion Delgadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09493068399042656060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-58363200035494107782009-03-03T23:27:00.000-08:002009-03-03T23:27:00.000-08:00I too echo what Rich Puchalsky said.PS Thank-you M...I too echo what Rich Puchalsky said.<BR/><BR/>PS Thank-you Michael for your stand.amoebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15783694650121687459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-50031261692516847172009-03-03T21:33:00.000-08:002009-03-03T21:33:00.000-08:00More extensive commentary from me on this here -ht...More extensive commentary from me on this here -<BR/>http://arthur.shumwaysmith.com/life/content/choice_and_moral_reasoningArthurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06249922708053689717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-5383471082059126862009-03-03T20:54:00.000-08:002009-03-03T20:54:00.000-08:00RobertM "the North Atlantic was at least as warm t...<B>RobertM</B> <EM>"the North Atlantic was at least as warm then as now"</EM><BR/><BR/>You said it - the MWP was a north-Atlantic constrained event. There's no evidence of it in the southern hemisphere. GLOBALLY, temperatures were not warmer then than now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-35694940231615070582009-03-03T19:41:00.000-08:002009-03-03T19:41:00.000-08:00That email you got is more or less entirely plagia...That email you got is more or less entirely plagiarised from from WUWT, Michael. /2009/03/03/pielke-jrs-take-on-an-amazing-conversation-with-a-climate-scientist/<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work, don't let them grind you down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com