tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post8339820720765018027..comments2023-09-28T08:13:11.489-07:00Comments on Only In It For The Gold: Knocking on Your Golden DoorMichael Tobishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-78198984088720836392008-09-08T06:35:00.000-07:002008-09-08T06:35:00.000-07:00Speaking of JASON...<A HREF="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4690900.ece" REL="nofollow">Speaking of JASON...</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-20557236310885467922008-08-21T14:41:00.000-07:002008-08-21T14:41:00.000-07:00That John Drake article is a little old isn't it?"...That John Drake article is a little old isn't it?<BR/><BR/>"By using the increased computing power of the Intel Paragon, the IBM SP2, or the Cray Research T3D, researchers should advance..."<BR/><BR/>"...many researchers are working to improve the models by coupling the ocean and atmosphere."<BR/><BR/>These put it in the early-mid 1990s.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16914264739638166750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-85128178570781532322008-08-20T21:52:00.000-07:002008-08-20T21:52:00.000-07:00"So when do I get around to pulling the Torvalds m..."So when do I get around to pulling the Torvalds maneuver. "I am writing a climate model as an intellectual exercise, I invite participation."?"<BR/><BR/>You could do worse than diving in head first, ready or not. Presuming your intended development model is open-source/ open access there's no reason to sit on what might be great ideas.achttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08817718132877704613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-22159690979058880912008-08-20T20:50:00.000-07:002008-08-20T20:50:00.000-07:00Aaron, if you have that spreadsheet, please send i...Aaron, if you have that spreadsheet, please send it along. I know of some huge efforts spinning up about the prognosis for the ice sheets. I don't think the answer is known. I suspect your spreadsheet, if it exists, simply restates your assumptions. <BR/><BR/>However, if you are saying that climate models are not needed to get a first order answer to the mitigation question, I agree.<BR/><BR/>There remains hope that they will be useful in planning adaptation.<BR/><BR/>Both ice sheet models and climate models are intrinsically scientifically interesting. I think they deserve at least as much support as any other scientific endeavor with less impact. For various reasons even aside from the practical matters, this is very timely science.Michael Tobishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-33799585786823185472008-08-20T12:56:00.000-07:002008-08-20T12:56:00.000-07:00Maybe, climate modeling should do some "value engi...Maybe, climate modeling should do some "value engineering" to see what scope is really cost effective? It could be that there is only one number that we need, but we need to get that number correct. The number that we really need is: "How long until melt in Greenland and WAIS results in water up to our chins?"<BR/><BR/>That is a number that can be ballparked with Excel on a laptop in a few hours. <BR/><BR/>However, nobody likes the answer, so they (i.e., US DOE) say, "Lets spend $50 million over years and years and get a better answer." The result will be a more precise answer that they can only read if they hold the monitor over heads so it does not short out in the hip deep water.<BR/><BR/>The correct answer to "How long until melt in Greenland and WAIS results in water up to our chins?" is "30 years!" Do not like my answer? Read this about walrus and reconsider: (http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080818/116103830.html That is 1,000 found last year and 800 this year for a total of 1,800.)Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150805906414546377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-36785394119340307152008-08-20T09:13:00.000-07:002008-08-20T09:13:00.000-07:00MT,Have you tried approaching JASON?MT,<BR/><BR/>Have you tried approaching JASON?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-30529352261629203112008-08-20T06:55:00.000-07:002008-08-20T06:55:00.000-07:00Alas, it involves all of those things or I'd have ...Alas, it involves all of those things or I'd have long since done it.Michael Tobishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08229460438349093944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8524070301101240472.post-50751573900499226002008-08-20T02:23:00.000-07:002008-08-20T02:23:00.000-07:00Michael Tobis:"I'm damned if I can figure out how ...Michael Tobis:<BR/><BR/>"I'm damned if I can figure out how to get anyone who can afford to give it a try to do that, with me in the loop or otherwise."<BR/><BR/>Well, if it doesn't involve supercomputers or processing clusters or several days of computations, then maybe I can give a try to whatever it is you have in mind...bi -- International Journal of Inactivismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03030282249404084578noreply@blogger.com