"System change is now inevitable. Either because we do something about it, or because we will be hit by climate change. '...

"We need to develop economic models that are fit for purpose. The current economic frameworks, the ones that dominate our governments, these frameworks... the current economic frameworks, the neoclassical, the market frameworks, can deal with small changes. It can tell you the difference, if a sock company puts up the price of socks, what the demand for socks will be. It cannot tell you about the sorts of system level changes we are talking about here. We would not use an understanding of laminar flow in fluid dynamics to understand turbulent flow. So why is it we are using marginal economics, small incremental change economics, to understand system level changes?"

Sunday, April 20, 2008

Pielke Jr vs Romm

Somewhat marred by garbled punctuation, there is a very interesting take on the Romm vs Pielke Jr. (and Wigley and Green) fracas on Scitizen.

I think Pielke et al. can be accused of taking an unstoppablist position, and that is behind Romm's objections. This is all kicked off by the Raupach, Canadell work that I, too, have been citing.

The commenter may be unaware of Pielke Jr.'s odd intellectual history.

We need to come to grips with the fact that matters are getting worse, not better, though.


EliRabett said...

RP goes considerably beyond unstoppableness to lay back and enjoy it.

Michael Tobis said...


Hey, I am trying to coin a word here. Don't mess with it.

anna said...

> odd intellectual history.

link please? I'm a latecomer.

> We need to come to grips with the fact that matters are getting worse

you mean earth&climate, or human sociology matters, or?

(i assume you mean the former but don't know.)

Michael Tobis said...

Re: Roger Jr., sorry, Anna, I don't think I can do his position justice. Anyway, he seems to object to anyone else's efforts to summarize. Just follow his blog and you can get the idea.

Things that are getting worse: our greenhouse trajectory is definitely worse than anticipated. I think our capacity to deal with it isn't getting any better either.