Lifted from comments at Climate Progress. If Joe or Jim object I'll take this down, but I think it deserves wide publication. Jim Prall:As for web lists of statement signers: thanks Michael Tobis for saying it better than I ever could. [ed- aw shucks, thanks, not sure it's true] Every list I compiled was from a statement already posted on the web. All the links are on my page of list sources
http://www.eecg.utoronto.ca/ ~prall/ climate/ list_sources.html
As for Marc Morano’s attempt to Swiftboat this as “Stasi-esque”: what amazing gall! He’s famous for having built a long list of climate skeptics during his term with Sen. Inhofe. Hypocrite! Why wasn’t that list “Stasi-esque?” Just because he agreed with their “side”?
Nothing in our PNAS paper justifies comparisons to the Stasi. We don’t *say* anyone should persecute or blacklist signers of either type of statement, because of course we *don’t believe* that. (Hard to believe I’m even having to say this at all.) What we say is that the media should consider people’s qualifications and standing (oooh!)
The only other way to spin this into something sinister is to argue that someone evil *might use* the lists to persecute people regardless of our intentions. That seems to be the main theme at Roger Pielke Jr’s blog.
That objection of what someone might do with the list really falls down on the point Michael makes so well, that all the source lists I compiled were already on the web. Anyone who could misuse my list could just as well have found the same names on the original sources, or many of the same names plus many more on Morano’s list – and not all on his list by choice.
Morano publicized his list relentlessly, and listed many more names as skeptics than I have. Morano also tended to quotemine, leading to false positives where the person in question would protest their inclusion as unrepresentative of their actual views, yet Morano would refuse to take them off. He’d just point to the mined quote he had, ignoring anything the source might say about being taken out of context or trying to tell him what their actual views are.
If the fear is that someone biased against supporters of one “side” could focus their bias on people on a list, why was it okay for Morano to subject people to that risk with his list? Was Morano’s list “Stasi-esque” as well? If not, why not?
Thanks again to those offering supportive comments on the PNAS paper. Since Morano published my email and compared me to the Stasi, let’s just say I’ve had a stream of unfriendly responses. (Oddly, people keep sending me really weak arguments like “there is no greenhouse effect” or predicting global cooling.)
See also: Denyosphere Jumps the Shark for why this "blacklist" thing is beyond wrong and well into foolish. Has the Denial squad run out of ammunition?
Photo credit: Looks like Marc Morano is not offering anyone else any credit for the pic, so I guess photo: Marc Morano. That can't be right, can it? Hmmm... Jim Prall (see comments)
(Oddly, people keep sending me really weak arguments like “there is no greenhouse effect” or predicting global cooling.)
ReplyDeleteIf you haven't come across those 'arguments' yet, you are very lucky. I'm sure you will also get assertions that the CRU emails 'prove' that AGW is a hoax; that the Arctic is 'healthy', and that there is no consensus - but if there is, then that 'proves' there is a black-list, censorship and unfairness towards the so-called skeptical gurus.
Lots of modern day Flat-Earthers out there.
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Been there and bought the Morano attack t-shirt Michael. The emails you get will be both sad and hilarious at the same time.
ReplyDeleteTrust me there is no need to respond, facts will mean nothing. These people belong to the dismissives (8-16% of the population).
I refer to the G. Mason Univ. study by Ed Maibach et. al here: http://www.climatechangecommunication.org/i
mages/files/GlobalWarmingsSixAmericas2009c.pdf
Morano's (and Inhofe's) original list of 413 skeptical scientists
ReplyDelete20 economists
49 who are retired
44 television weathermen
70 scientists with no expertise in climate study
84 scientists who are either connected with the oil industry or are paid by it.
Morano, who was involved with the switfboating of Sen John Kerry, and the censoring of scientists at GISS, is not in any position to be making such accusations
The ever-repugnant Morano is now featuring the following highly relevant climate headline: "Warning Graphic Video: Taiwanese news service recreates Gore massage sex assault allegations in animation -- '100 seconds of pure horror'"
ReplyDeleteKotR - thanks for that pointer, gave me a good chuckle just from the headline (not sure I can stomach viewing the original.)
ReplyDeleteMichael - thanks for re-posting. Your instincts were right there - no complaints from me. As for the photo, I think it taken by a neighbour; it's visible on my homepage from which Morano must have downloaded it (yeesh!)
So the credit can just be - me.
BTW, the barrage of hostile comments is already subsiding. Today I had just one saying how well I would have done as a Grand Inquisitor in the Spanish Inquisition(!)
Curiously, I'm just nearing the end of a good historical novel "People of the Book" about the Sarajevo Haggadah, a rare illuminated manuscript of the Jewish text (IRL). The novel speculates on how it might have survived through the book burnings of both the Inquisition and Nazism. Some pretty heavy stuff, for a vacation novel, but author Geraldine Brooks won a Pulitzer and is pretty good at character development and history.
Of course, my first reaction to today's cranky email was...
"Nooobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"