"System change is now inevitable. Either because we do something about it, or because we will be hit by climate change. '...

"We need to develop economic models that are fit for purpose. The current economic frameworks, the ones that dominate our governments, these frameworks... the current economic frameworks, the neoclassical, the market frameworks, can deal with small changes. It can tell you the difference, if a sock company puts up the price of socks, what the demand for socks will be. It cannot tell you about the sorts of system level changes we are talking about here. We would not use an understanding of laminar flow in fluid dynamics to understand turbulent flow. So why is it we are using marginal economics, small incremental change economics, to understand system level changes?"

Saturday, February 16, 2008

Oresekes' History of Climate Denialism

Also via Quark Soup, an excellent video of a presentation by Naomi Oreskes; half about the early history of scientific concern about anthropogenic climate change (lots of new stuff to me there) and half about the history of the denial movement. It's an hour long, but I highly recommend finding the time to watch it.

Update: Atmoz also linked to this video. Check out caerbannog's comment there.


John Mashey said...

Did you happen to read Lubos Motl's comment on it in Quark Soup?

Anna Haynes said...

I sent the link to a retired engineer who's a doubter, and haven't heard back from him.
I like to think this means that the talk got through to him, but am curious - what is the response of other genuine (non-shill) doubters when they view the talk? Is this the way we can reach sincere people who've come down with "everything Al Gore knows is wrong" disease?

Michael Tobis said...


No, John, I missed it. Thanks for pointing it out.

Lubos is a piece of work isn't he?

Interestingly he fits in the pattern Oreskes identifies of passionately anti-communist physicists without any serious training in climate being at the core of the denial movement.

John Mashey said...

Well, actually Motl may be more:

Which points at: