Willis Eschenbach really ticked me off on my foray into Climate Audit.
So it's with mixed feelings but with absolutely no irony or sarcasm intended that I point you to his excellent FAQ on the CO2 record at Watts Up. If you run into a naysayer who says nay to the CO2 record itself, this sound, clear and informed exposition will have the extra cachet with them of being at the Watts site.
"Our greatest responsibility is to be good ancestors."
-Jonas Salk
Thursday, June 24, 2010
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Cachet with some, perhaps, but the comment thread provides strong evidence that the various "CO2 data is corrupt and/or unreliable" will live on.
Well Michael, you impelled me to make my first ever visit to WTFUWT. I was reasonably impressed with Eschbach's post, but the comments fulfilled my worst expectations. The distrust of the experts, on the one hand, and the confidence in the commenter's own expertise, on the other. The ironing, it burns 8^(!
Yeah this one tickled me:
"Now can you ever imagine a post like this at RealClimate on say a paper By Steve McIntyre.
"Just makes you think."
I only wish. On the "makes you think" part, I mean.
Note how pissed off Watts is when someone points out that all the data is available via the WMO :-)
I think it is also very funny that Watt's "skeptics" are prepared (just about) to accept the obvious when explained by one of their own but not otherwise.
From the comments there, I see that the "yes but is it man-made" sect still flourishes. I think Willis should follow up with a post proving the rise is anthro, just to wind them up.
Cached with WebCite just in case.
And I can see the next bullcrap headline from Marc Morano now: "Global warmist Michael Tobis now says that climate skeptic is correct".
-- frank
Ha, I'm rubbish, Willis has indeed written a follow-up: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/07/some-people-claim-that-theres-a-human-to-blame/
While I'm here I may as well spam you with my wurbling: http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2010/06/dumb_america.php
Well heck, I mis-spelled Willis's last name. It's Eschenbach, of course. Least I can do, to get it right.
The climate skeptic Ferdinand Engelbeen explains the evidence of human influence on the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/co2_measurements.html#The_mass_balance
In argueing with other "skeptics" I've pointed them to this link before, as it's more likely to be trusted, than say, NOAA or IPCC or other of those commie organisations.
With MT giving credit to an opponent and MA admitting and correcting his own mistake about an opponent, it seems to me that you're playing a different game from the other guys.
@Steve L
MT also admits to only being in it for the gold. ;-)
"it seems to me that you're playing a different game from the other guys."
Nah, it's just important to catch our own mistakes before they do ;^).
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