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Thursday, June 24, 2010

Giving the Devil his Due

Willis Eschenbach really ticked me off on my foray into Climate Audit.

So it's with mixed feelings but with absolutely no irony or sarcasm intended that I point you to his excellent FAQ on the CO2 record at Watts Up. If you run into a naysayer who says nay to the CO2 record itself, this sound, clear and informed exposition will have the extra cachet with them of being at the Watts site.


Steve Bloom said...

Cachet with some, perhaps, but the comment thread provides strong evidence that the various "CO2 data is corrupt and/or unreliable" will live on.

Mal Adapted said...

Well Michael, you impelled me to make my first ever visit to WTFUWT. I was reasonably impressed with Eschbach's post, but the comments fulfilled my worst expectations. The distrust of the experts, on the one hand, and the confidence in the commenter's own expertise, on the other. The ironing, it burns 8^(!

Michael Tobis said...

Yeah this one tickled me:

"Now can you ever imagine a post like this at RealClimate on say a paper By Steve McIntyre.

"Just makes you think."

I only wish. On the "makes you think" part, I mean.

William M. Connolley said...

Note how pissed off Watts is when someone points out that all the data is available via the WMO :-)

I think it is also very funny that Watt's "skeptics" are prepared (just about) to accept the obvious when explained by one of their own but not otherwise.

From the comments there, I see that the "yes but is it man-made" sect still flourishes. I think Willis should follow up with a post proving the rise is anthro, just to wind them up.

Anonymous said...

Cached with WebCite just in case.

And I can see the next bullcrap headline from Marc Morano now: "Global warmist Michael Tobis now says that climate skeptic is correct".

-- frank

William M. Connolley said...

Ha, I'm rubbish, Willis has indeed written a follow-up: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/07/some-people-claim-that-theres-a-human-to-blame/

While I'm here I may as well spam you with my wurbling: http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2010/06/dumb_america.php

Mal Adapted said...

Well heck, I mis-spelled Willis's last name. It's Eschenbach, of course. Least I can do, to get it right.

Anonymous said...

The climate skeptic Ferdinand Engelbeen explains the evidence of human influence on the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere:


In argueing with other "skeptics" I've pointed them to this link before, as it's more likely to be trusted, than say, NOAA or IPCC or other of those commie organisations.

Steve L said...

With MT giving credit to an opponent and MA admitting and correcting his own mistake about an opponent, it seems to me that you're playing a different game from the other guys.

pough said...

@Steve L

MT also admits to only being in it for the gold. ;-)

Mal Adapted said...

"it seems to me that you're playing a different game from the other guys."

Nah, it's just important to catch our own mistakes before they do ;^).